Post by Fulfillment on Jun 23, 2015 14:00:26 GMT -5
Tokibro, I get that, I'm just...
I see what's here on the rubric. I question if the current way that's used is actually in line with what's written therein. It seems like everyone views those lines differently, and that's my problem.
If it really is that impact is viewed and judged by being both subtle and broad and all other characteristics based on the character applying, and that all different types of impact can result in Prestige provided they are fitting and done well enough and all of that --- then okay, that's perfect. But there's no cohesive understanding of that it seems like, and so I'm worried and confused.
There seems to be this idea that impact has to make the world tremble in some way. And yet there are clearly two camps on this issue. The Kyou-Camp wherein Prestige is beyond the actual IC changes and the Colin-Camp wherein the IC changes matter so much more and don't have a huge reliance on Prestige-y-ness/world impact. Edit: Prestige-y-ness in this case is for IC changes versus being Prestige-y all over, I think that's the difference I'm perceiving here.
Why do we have these two views? Because we haven't been clear enough in what is expected or how things work. So what I'm asking for is perhaps an explanation of all sides, and we as a site can discuss which ones we like more and for what reasons. None of those ideas are wrong, but on some level holding one idea as the truth when staff does not or some of staff does not creates the setting for why this whole issue came up in the first place.
You can impact a work's canon without impacting anyone else in the work.
Goku becoming a super saiyan was about beating Frieza and heavily impacted the world.
Vegeta becoming a super saiyan was still very much a (personal) impact. And it was notable because he reached a new level of (legendary) power. But literally no one else was around for it and all it really changed directly was himself and some random asteroids.
But he achieved that historical level of power in a way that was believable enough for the story to become canon. If you try to do jumping jacks until your a prestige your probably not going to make the cut if there's no more to it than that.
Post by Tsutsugami Haruki on Jun 23, 2015 14:06:34 GMT -5
The point of this topic goes beyond just that. Is it one of the points? Yes, but it's certainly not the only one. Unfortunately, the issue with impact is is that it's incredibly subjective. What you find impactful, I may not and what I find impactful, you may not.
I'm definitely willing to sit down and see if some agreement can be made, though!
Some subjectivity will be necessary. Its why we have multiple humans doing the evaluations. Heck its why we require applications in the first place to explain why the person applying believed they made an impact. Otherwise we could just be like "Drop Mic; Read Chapter; Prestige me."